Red Israeli wines are essentially dead to me, the white wines overall are not much better

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Another year and another disappointment for Israeli wines overall. I have recently returned from a quick trip to Israel to be at the last of three JK and LK’s weddings that they have thrown this year for their boys. This was the oldest son, and a young man I saw grow up before my eyes, much akin to his younger twin brothers, which as stated above, also got married this year.

This trip we tried to concentrate on reds and whites, I am done with Rose wines for the year. Much to my chagrin, the 2016 reds are a dud at best. The only 2016 red Israeli wine that I would buy, and have bought, are the 2016 Domaine du Castel Grand Vin and the 2016 Domaine du Castel Petit Castel. I will be honest, it was a shocker. Tzora’s 2016 wines and even Domaine de Netofa’s 2016 reds were ripe, riper than I would invest in. I have yet to taste the 2016 Domaine du Netofa Latour Red, I hope to taste that on my next trip to Israel.

Sadly, the 2017 whites were not much better, they all had a serious lack of complexity and acid. Sure, winemakers can and do add tartaric acid to their wines, but clearly, the wine was not showing that in ways that impressed me or others who tasted many of these wines blind.

Now, to be fair, there were some 2017 whites that did show well, and they are listed in a previous post here. With that said, the best 2017 white so far this year, that I have tasted came from Yaacov Oryah. His 2017 whites blew me away, and in 2018, he took all his red grapes and only made white and orange wines, and YES finally even a Rose wine from them! Talk about betting on anything other than red wines! Looking forward to tasting them next year! I will post the 2017 whites in my next post.

Red Wine for the masses

I know this post will offend people, and that is really not the point of the post. The point of me stating that I could care less for Israeli red wines at this point is to show the sad progression of the date juice crisis.

Look, this is nothing new, since 2009 for most Israeli wineries, and especially following the 2011 vintage (for the rest of them), Israeli wineries changed their style of winemaking to please the masses. Take Teperberg as a perfect example. Their 2011 wines were awesome, old-world in so many ways, but in 2012, they went the opposite direction and have been selling their wines in mass, to the masses, by changing their winemaking style, and yeah their labels, but everyone changed their labels. They went to a far more fruit-forward and ripe wine, one that I cannot begin to appreciate, but one that sells fantastically here in the USA, and in the end, that is really all a massive winery like Teperberg cares about.

I do not mean that in an offensive way at all. Wineries are a business and if they are not able to sell the millions of bottles that they make with a certain style of wine than they have to change the product.

That is what most of Israel’s wineries did. They changed to fruitier and riper wines and they have been succeeding so far with that approach. What that means for me, is that I will continue to concentrate on Europe and America, in terms of the wines I buy.

Too Much Wine

Besides the mass of date juice bottles that now exists on the shelves across the wine shelves in Israel, Europe, and the United States, there is just too much of it. There are new wineries popping up every year, more and more of these boutique Israeli wineries, that have no way to differentiate themselves from the next, other than more years in oak and more fruit and tannin, and of course more exclusivity and higher prices, like that would ever make me want to buy a wine! But I assure you, for the masses, it is like a moth to the flame.

The wines all taste the same. I went to a wine tasting a couple of months ago in NY, and the wines were all horrible date juice, but they were the same date juice, nothing that differentiated them from the next wine over. Not a single unique aspect.

Israel will face the issue soon if it is not already facing it now. I ask the winemakers and they say they are selling all the wines perfectly well. But when I talk to shop owners the story I get is very different. Wines are not moving and they sit on the shelves, the prices are too high, they are no different than the wine on the shelf over, and they all look the same.

Different varietals

At least a few wineries are trying to make something other than Cabernet Sauvignon, but sadly those do not sell well. There is a reason why Herzog Winery has some 20+ Cabernet Sauvignon wines! YES! 20 plus, closer to 25 or more I think. Same with Yarden and other wineries in Israel, where the focus continues to be on Cabernet.

Vitkin, Domaine du Netofa, Recanati, Capsouto, Covenant Winery Israel, Tzora Winery, and others are trying to change the ONENESS that plagues Israeli wineries, but they too have been hitting resistance. Why? Because as much as they and others talk about the need for more options outside of Cabernet, and how the ecology and terroir of Israel are more suited to Rhone or Spanish varietals, the truth is that Israeli and American palates only understand Cabernet Sauvignon. That is the sad truth. It takes a lot of money and perseverance to try to push a rock up the hill or change the palates of the kosher wine masses. So far, the date juice palates are pummeling the old-world palates. There is no real way to hide from this simple and true fact, and while I guess I could care less, I wonder when this will all come back to roost on the Israeli wineries.

As I have stated many times, red wines have at least a 2+ year cost from crush until the release and then the next red wine vintage’s release. If the public starts to move or change their desires, wineries will be left holding the bag, a very expensive bag. Until then, the wine is selling, even if they are all the same stuff. Even among the red non-Cabernet Sauvignon wineries, the wines when tasted blind really do taste the same. There is little to no uniqueness. It is just really ripe dry red wine, some showing some finesse, but for the most part, sledgehammer wines that meet the least common denominator requirement of ripe and round wines that can be consumed ASAP.

Again, I know I will receive lots of hate mail, I understand, that is fine with me. I am simply stating things as I see it. Sadly, there are others as well that have the same issues, in varying degrees, and the sad truth is that Israel does not have the desire today, to make a wine that is as good as some of the wines from California, let alone Europe. They have proven in the past that they CAN make wines that are as good as California’s kosher options, but almost all of them have sold out to what is selling today, at the cost of the lowest common denominator consumer, who are seemingly holding them all hostage.

I hope the 2017 vintage of red wines will turn things around but I highly doubt it. Sadly, the 2015 and 2016 Capcanes reds have also joined this very fruit forward winemaking approach. The 2015 Peraj Ha’abib was not a wine I bought much of if any, outside of the few I needed for three tastings. The 2016 vintage, here so far is mevushal and is a disaster. The 2016 and 2017 Peraj Petita, NOT mevushal, are not fun to horrible wines. The earlier vintages continue to show well, and time will tell for the newer vintages, the Carignan and Grenache wines, we have yet to see the 2015 vintages of those wines. The 2015 Capcances Pinot Noir was and is still very nice and 2016 is not yet available here in the USA.

The Blind Wine Tastings

There were two separate wine tastings, one at JK’s office and one at AD’s house in Beit Shemesh. My many thanks to both of these guys for putting up with me, and my many thanks to the gang of guys who joined us and brought wines, and were able to put up with me during the tastings. Those would be AD, JK, AO, OM, AK, and NA. Again, my many thanks and the wines were brought by both me and the other guests. The wines were all tasted blind with silver foil wrapping the bottles.

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  1. max herzberg Avatar

    Hi David

    We are not making any date juices or lumber tasting wines. From the beginning of the winery we are respecting the grapes. I will be at Sommelier this year (too expensive to participate every year) and I invite you to taste in order to destroy a few myths: – Israeli “respectful (I mean of the grapes) wine is aging quite well: i will have a few 2011 and 2012 bottles for you to taste. In fact Kosherwine.com might still have some 2012. – 2016 wine (2 CS,M, Malbec) blends and one Malbec) were surprisingly tasty and indeed had to be severely controled in order not to derive to date juice. This has to do with controlling maturity of the grapes and chosing the right barrels. – you experienced a bad bottle of Rosé stupidly bottled by my (ex) worker in a freshly SO2 washed bottle before general bottling day. Please give the 2018 another chance. So…when are you visiting? Be well my dear Max

    1. winemusings Avatar

      Looking forward to tasting your wines soon good sir. Sadly, I will not be at Sommelier, but on my next trip to Israel, I will swing by or call you up. Thanks!

  2. Warren Avatar

    Please explain what you mean by “date juice”?

    1. winemusings Avatar

      Hello. date juice is my nickname for overripe, unbalanced wines.

  3. Marc Kushner Avatar

    You should review the story of the Meraglim. Even if you are 100% correct in your assessment of Israeli wines, speaking negatively about something from Israel is not a good idea.

    On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 1:30 AM Wine Musings Blog wrote:

    > winemusings posted: “Another year and another disappointment for Israeli > wines overall. I have recently returned from a quick trip to Israel to be > at the last of three JK and LK’s weddings that they have thrown this year > for their boys. This was the oldest son, and a young ma” >

    1. winemusings Avatar

      I have had this EXACT discussion with many a Rabbi. Is posting my impressions of wines, NOT of Israel, Loshon Harah? I never have and never will speak ill of Israel, I love the land, people, and country. If you read the post you will see that all I am stating is that the wines being made now, in Israel, are not for me, but if you enjoy them, please continue to drink them!

    2. Ezra Avatar

      Marc, In addition to what David wrote. He has also quoted Pierre Miodownick, the winemaker for Netofa, as saying you can make old world wines in any climate. The issue here is the wineries choosing to make ripe wines to cater to the public that keeps buying these wines. Some of the Israeli wines of the past i.e. Yarden reds pre 2006 were world class wines and old world in style. If anything most of us are bemoaning the fact that we keep trying to give Israeli wines/wineries a chance to make those old world wines but they keep on (intentionally) making overripe wines.
      With that said we all love Israel.

  4. Yamine Assouline Avatar

    Good evening,

    i fully agree with you on everything you wrote!! the ‘ma hadash’ concept has destroyed it all.. when it takes 100 years for a sangiovese cepage or others,you find them in insrael with most of the wineries.. i was one of the first one to discover Capcanes ,some 15 years ago in Barcelona and this has nothing to do what you drink today. the guy chose profitabilty wich is sad and people who are still today giving him credit! YA YA

    Le mar. 11 déc. 2018 à 07:30, Wine Musings Blog a écrit :

    > winemusings posted: “Another year and another disappointment for Israeli > wines overall. I have recently returned from a quick trip to Israel to be > at the last of three JK and LK’s weddings that they have thrown this year > for their boys. This was the oldest son, and a young ma” >

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  6. Eli Avatar

    Very sad news. I guess I have learned my lesson about blindly sticking up on Tzora. When can we expect some reviews of the ’16 French vintage?

    1. winemusings Avatar

      Very soon indeed

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  12. Mark cohen Avatar

    Interesting perspective from a obviously knowledgeable source.
    Following

    1. winemusings Avatar

      Thanks, I really hope things will change for the better. Sadly, the market is driving these changes and until that changes, the wineries will not change.

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    Total about face on Riganes 16 no?

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      Yes, sadly, I have stated that riganes just died sad

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        When you say they are oxidized, if they weren’t oxidized to begin with, wouldn’t that be a product of storage problems?

      2. winemusings Avatar

        No, oxidation can occur with time. VA or other such things are issues from time of bottling. Oxidation comes with time

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